tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3839131113481621095.post5359334078242628649..comments2023-06-16T07:01:52.541-07:00Comments on The Blog of Dr. T. Michael W. Halcomb: Transgenerational Curses: When Biblical Authors Rewrote CommandsTMWHhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06807155020816222182noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3839131113481621095.post-87000117549544197702008-10-23T08:00:00.000-07:002008-10-23T08:00:00.000-07:00levi,dude, i'd love for you to say more about ...levi,<br>dude, i'd love for you to say more about this. your examples are great. btw, have you read ?Brueggemann's "The Creative Word"? He fleshes out this same kind of idea in a most fascinating way!T. Michael W. Halcombhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01119080394574322124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3839131113481621095.post-32415764026565557462008-10-23T07:59:00.000-07:002008-10-23T07:59:00.000-07:00Lionel,sorry about the confusion, perhaps i read t...Lionel,<br>sorry about the confusion, perhaps i read too much into your comments. when you were conjecturing about living w/differences that's what i read into it. <br><br>i think i see more clearly what you are saying now, although, i would like to hear more of your thoughts on both the post and the ensuing discussion.<br><br>blessings friend, sorry again for the confusion,<br>-tmwhT. Michael W. Halcombhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01119080394574322124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3839131113481621095.post-76375621882521095102008-10-22T13:45:00.000-07:002008-10-22T13:45:00.000-07:00The Michael,I never said anythign about feeling. W...The Michael,<br><br>I never said anythign about feeling. Where did you get that from? I am dealing with Covenental Israel vs. the New Covenental church. <br><br><br>Maybe I am confused on what you are saying.Lionel Woodsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3839131113481621095.post-55303922788773505992008-10-21T13:08:00.000-07:002008-10-21T13:08:00.000-07:00One's view of the inspiration of Scripture wou...One's view of the inspiration of Scripture would definitely fund most of the argument one could make. Without delving into those issues, you could look at the way Torah evolved over time and as it was reconsidered in other contexts.<br><br>For instance examine the fourth commandment in Exodus and the verb used "zacor" (remember)compared with its retelling in Deut and the verb used "shamor" (guard, defend). The language of the Torah seems to evolve as it is likely a product of its environment.<br><br>Furthermore, if one examines literature from Qumran (e.g. The Temple Scroll), Torah even becomes rewritten and even uses God's first-person speech as an avenue of proclamation.Levihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07395422809298131385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3839131113481621095.post-42653432991703767662008-10-21T12:33:00.000-07:002008-10-21T12:33:00.000-07:00jonathan,good thoughts! i'm not sure i go as ...jonathan,<br>good thoughts! i'm not sure i go as far as you on the last point but it is something to ponder, nonetheless! thanks for sharing friend.T. Michael W. Halcombhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01119080394574322124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3839131113481621095.post-61374493968635435762008-10-21T12:32:00.000-07:002008-10-21T12:32:00.000-07:00Scott,I guess we need, or I need to, at least, def...Scott,<br>I guess we need, or I need to, at least, define what I mean when I say "inspired" or "inspiration". In my view, inspiration means that the text is true in all that it teaches. This is not the same thing as saying it is always a singular unity, always a stickler for details, etc. Inspiration means it is true in what it teaches. Also, my view of inspiration focuses more on the inspired communities that shaped and used these texts more than one individual that might have helped write them! It certainly doesn't mean God forced the things that are written to be written. Therefore, given all of these things, when I say dialoge, in lieu of an inspired text, I am suggesting that the writers often argued, conversed, agreed, disagreed, etc. Sadly, I don't think this has been recognized enough by bible readers.T. Michael W. Halcombhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01119080394574322124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3839131113481621095.post-32493243755393448022008-10-21T12:29:00.000-07:002008-10-21T12:29:00.000-07:00Lionel,I'm not sure I would go the same route ...Lionel,<br>I'm not sure I would go the same route as you on this as it seems to lead to a "whatever God wrote on my heart (aka: whatever I feel)" is what I'm going to follow. I wonder if you're making too much of God writing things on people's hearts. This was not just a NT idea, it is explicitly stated in the OT too. I think there are a number of authorities, with experience being one of those. But that said, that doesn't mean its the greatest or even most reliable! The Wesleyan Quadrilateral is good for this type of discussion.T. Michael W. Halcombhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01119080394574322124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3839131113481621095.post-52289093750705768202008-10-20T14:53:00.000-07:002008-10-20T14:53:00.000-07:00Scott - I think a good example is Proverbs 26:4-5:...Scott - I think a good example is Proverbs 26:4-5:<br><br>"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit."<br><br>There is a dialogue / tension between these two verses. The fact is that life doesn't always have simplistic answers, and therefore the Bible doesn't always provide them either. Think of the gospels - each one has their own "spin" on the gospel. That's actually part of the gospel - it is big enough not to be a single story told from one viewpoint - you need 4 viewpoints to understand the fullness and nuance of the gospel. There are parts that are in tension with each other - and that's okay - because it matches up quite well with how life works.<br><br>It is true that many of the people who talk about a "dialogue" and "tension" between different parts of the Bible are coming at it from the perspective that the Bible is a completely human book. But I view the dialogue and tension of the Bible resulting from God giving us a wider complement of understandings so we don't get too locked into a single way of looking at things.Jonathan Bartletthttp://www.bartlettpublishing.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3839131113481621095.post-29742721344183162992008-10-20T11:48:00.000-07:002008-10-20T11:48:00.000-07:00I am unclear as to what a "dialogue" wou...I am unclear as to what a "dialogue" would mean in an inspired text. Do you view these texts as largely if not wholly human creations? More importantly, what distinguishes a contradiction and a tension? Is it intension? Genre? Would Jeremiah and Ezekial <i>know</i> they were having a conversation?<br><br>I think I would like to see you flesh this out some more.Scott Fergusonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03089281236217906531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3839131113481621095.post-70296150963483642492008-10-20T09:24:00.000-07:002008-10-20T09:24:00.000-07:00Michael,Maybe my theology forces me to interpret i...Michael,<br><br>Maybe my theology forces me to interpret it with different lenses. As we read both Eze and Jer we must understand that the covenant that they were under was both national and familial. Today we are under no such covenant, as under the Old Covenant there was a command to circumcise today we say that a parent who coerces there child to receive the grace of Christ is actually disobeying God. <br><br>I can go on but I think you know where I am headed. With the Old Covenant came many instructions and commands that we as New Covenant believers are to abstain from. Today God writes the law on each individual believers heart under the old it was to be written on the door and to be recitied. Under the Old the family was covenantal under the New Jesus says "I come to bring a sword". So even in the same household one can reject the New Covenant while the other holds firmly to it (husband/wife, parents/children, children/parents, sibling). So it can be house divided while under the Old Covenant to reject it was synonymous with suicide!<br><br>My thoughts brother. Also it seems that Jeremiah is beginning to talk a great deal about the New Covenant especially Jer 31 in which the writer of Hebrews quotes extensively.LIonel Woodshttp://blackandreformedministries.comnoreply@blogger.com